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Bram

A good hunting bullet does not just expand explosively. It will penetrate several inches of flesh (depending on what size animal it is designed for), then expand out to the size of a nickel or so. After another couple of inches, the bullet folds back on itself and continues along with a smaller profile.

The idea is to punch a good size hole through the heart and/or lungs without blowing a giant hole through the meat and hide.

Homer

Some thoughts....
RE: open tip...it's a manufacturing issue related to drawing of the the jacket. Attempting to gain precision surfaces, eg., non-distorted, uniform thickness exterior surface with uniform internal weight distribution, is more difficult with a closed-tip projectile. It can be done, but the cost goes up, and conformance to extremely high quality standards produces more rejects, some of which will get past quality control. That's why precision projectiles manufactured for rifle competition are predominantly open tip, or in the civilian market, labeled "hollow point."
RE: performance against lightly armored targets. Penetration is largely a function of velocity; witness the stories over the years of tornadoes occasionally driving straw into, and sometimes through, tree trunks. A number of years ago I was involved in some ballistic testing with 5.56X43 ammunition, nominally in the 3200 FPS muzzle velocity range. There was no available bullet configuration that would NOT fully penetrate 5/16" mild steel plate at 100 meters. In one test all bullet types in 55 grain - FMJ, both steel and copper, commercially available soft point, hollow point, you name it, penetrated 3/8" high carbon steel at 100 meters and the spall (bullet and steel particles) had enough energy left to produce a .040" deep indentation in a similar surface located 6" behind the first one.

While not directly related to that test, we discovered that 147 grain FMJ 7.62X51 (2700 FPS muzzle) would not penetrate 1/2" mild steel plate at 300 meters, but it would produce surface indentations .200"-.300" deep with a corresponding bulge on the back of the plate. This was repeated with commercial ammunition - softpoint, hollowpoint, 165 grain - with similar results. Move the plate closer to get into a higher velocity range but far enough out to allow projectile stabilization (100 meters) and pentration occurs.

Elmer Keith - I think it was he - related his experience years ago about penetration, commenting that a .30-06 projectile produced greater penetration at 150 yards than it did at 10 yards, fired, I believe, into hardwood (I'm not aware of any data on the event, such as bullet brand, type, weight, velocity, type of wood, etc., so this is purely anecdotal). Most of this is due to bullet yaw. It takes time for the spin rate to stabilize a bullet to ensure it strikes point-on, and that fraction of a second required moves the "perfect" impact point out correspondingly, based on bullet velocity. Also, 150 yards out velocity may have been reduced sufficiently to allow the projectile to hold together better than at 10 yards.

In contrast, ammunition designed for penetration in soft tissue did not perform similarly. For example, a 500 grain .458 FMJ steel jacket projectile reduced to 400 grains and fired at 2000 FPS produced a very substantial indentation at 50 meters in 1/2" steel (about .500" deep, as I remember it), but did not penetrate. I suspect another 500-800 FPS would have easily produced pentration.

Penetration can be resisted; I once saw an all-ceramic tactical vest which had successfully resisted penetration from a 610 grain 50 BMG round at 50 meters fired from an M2. There was an indentation approximately the size of a cantelope in the center of the vest, so while a wearer would have avoided a fatality from penetration, the blunt trauma would not have been survivable.

Chuck

Thanks for the comments guys:

Bram: I'll have to look into that "expand and then contract" thing. It doesn't make sense to me off the top of my head. Is it possible that the bullet expands, and then slows down and its the slower velocity that reduces the cavity size?

Homer: So ease of manufacturing with low defects is the answer? Makes sense. I guess that just shows that if I make enough guesses, I'm bound to be close on one of them. And regarding penetration -- I've got to believe bullet design/composition makes a difference at least at the margin. Taken to the extreme, your argument would imply that armor piercing rounds don't work, which is certainly not the case. Maybe open tip bullets can penetrate 99% of what FMJ bullets can, but I've got to believe there's that 1% of the time where the material and/or range of the target is such that the FMJ would penetrate but the open tip wouldn't. Its simple physics -- the kinetic energy provides most of the answer, but not all of it.

Again, thanks for commenting guys.

Ian

Chuck, I've been researching air rifle pellets, which these days often travel at supersonic speeds. That led me to look into ballistics, which led me to research on hypersonic and re-entry physics. Most of the responses on this site have been focused on "terminal ballistics" or the behavior of bullets when they hit, but there is some cool information about why our military builds their rockets the way they do for re-entry and high velocity. I think your answer might lie in the behavior of air around a supersonic body, which NASA and others are experts in.

So I found some info, and here was, to me, the answer one of the mysteries of early space travel. Why did they build the manned capsules to hit the atmosphere with a broad, rounded shape...and how did that survive? Turns out the heat shields were there only as a secondary protection. The true protective shield around a hi-velocity object traveling through air is...air!
The "shockwave" in front of the vehicle (or our bullet) actually protects and enhances it's travel much more than the heat shield. The wave formes like a raindrop is formed, shaping itself to be the most efficient skin for air to travel past the object. If you go to this WIKI site where this is all explained, look about 1/2 way down. There are some old photos showing the shockwave shapes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_shield

These show that the least efficient shape at supersonic velocity is a perfect point. The shockwave starts at that very tip, and all the dynamics of traveling through air affect the tip directly, including heat and various sheer forces which throw the bullet off it's path. By pushing a shockwave out from the tip, you can produce that lovely rounded cushion that is on the parabolic cones and spherical shapes of manned space capsules, mars explorers, etc. And you only get that on bullets if they don't have truly sharp points.
So, how to get the the best ballistic shape for a bullet, given all it's particular needs (survive rifling, penetration, drag coefficient, long and thin for trajectory) and still get a shock wave to improve accuracy? How about a small pocket at the point to produce a "bubble" of air and push the shockwave forward? It is better than simply cutting the nose flat or parabolic, because you may actually get a larger cushion from the hollow tip producing an air bubble, plus avoid drag on the edges of the nose that the other options produce. Also, the hollow tip might help in dissipating the "heat soak" and other problems that are mentioned in the WIKI article, and thereby keep it from deforming the nose.

I'll bet you the manufacturers have some well guarded research that would bear this out. Not sure how to get in there, since they are probably well armed !! And my air rifle isn't really going to answer all these mysteries.

Thanks for the post, this is an interesting problem.
Ian

Jamie

RE: "Open tip" bullets
Chuck, I've been shooting all my life and one thing i Always do when i try a new kind of bullet is to test the termanal ballistics (How the bullet behaves Inside the target) at various ranges. And if i'm not mistaken, from all the research i have done on the M118LR round it uses a 175gr Sierra Matchking bullet. I have tested these bullets by fireing them from a .308 winchester @ 2630fps into a wet shoulder blade from a Cow infront of a box of soaking wet newspaper to simulate a deer, and regardless of what anyone says, They do expand! From my tests expansion begings after around 3" and they penetrated around 13" @ 200y, Retained weights vary because some loose their lead cores but an ave would be around 110-130gr and a .50 - .60cal diameter. The wound channel left after the bullet begins to expand is around the size of a golf ball.

I have no science to back this up, but i think Matchkings expand because they use a softer lead for their cores than alot of other manifactures do. for example: Lapua, in thier 'Scenar' bullets, which is the same BTHP design of the 175gr M118lr bullet, uses lead with an anatomy content of around 6% and they hardley expand at all, more than likly they will just bend into banana shapes and leave small exit wounds. Sierra uses lead with an anatomy content of 3% in thier Match bullets IIRC which makes it deform/expand easyer.

If you doubt me, you can try the tests yourself, 45.0gr of Varget with winchester cases should give you roughly the same MV as the M118LR round (Remember, reduce by 10% and work up).
175gr Matchkings are my bullet of choice for a reason, they are accurate at Long range and they EXPAND!

I hope this helps you.
-Jamie

joe

The open tip acts like a windbreaker, breaking the laminar flow of air (flow of air in straight lines) and makes it turbulent. This turbulent air does not cause as much friction on the projectile by causing a bubble of air around the projectile and means you get a straighter trajectory. The same fluid flow principals are used in the shuttle to make an air boundary between the craft and the rushing air on re-entry.

Dave Schenck

I read all these articles with great interest because I hunt in South Africa with .270 cal 135gr Sierra HPBT matchkings and they are unbelievable! There accuracy is legendary and they do expand - I recently shot a 196 kg Blue Wildebeest and a 156kg Kudu with these bullets both at about 200m and both were one shot kills. I have shot several smaller species as well. The SD and BC of these bullets is excellent and they hit hard and do not break up. I have a friend who is now going to start with 165gr HPBT Sierra matchkings in his .308 and I expect excellent results.

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dcat

A few notes:
M59 is the same bullet as M80 except M59 uses a gilding metal jacket whereas M80 uses a copper or gilding metal clad steel jacket.

To my knowledge, M118/M72 (M72 same bullet used in .30 cal (30-06) loads) bullets are gilding metal jacket, without steel.

M118LR, using Sierra 175 grain Matchking (OTM), and predecessor M852, using 168 grain Sierra OTM, - neither of these Sierra bullets is steel jacketed but made from J4 gilding metal jacket material.

Open Tip is result of forming the bullet from the base forward and using a pin punch to knock the bullet out of the forming die.

Regards,
dcat

steve

open tip matchking is formed from the bottom up, ball ammo is is formed tip to tail. open tip on matchking has nothing to do with expansion.

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